Duckyworth's Thoughts: The Frighteners ~ 1996

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Greetings, my ghoulish gremlins.... :iconprussiaplz:

 

Today, to continue the HORRENDOUSLY HORRIFIC HALLOWE’EN OF HORRENDOUS HORROR, I’ll be reviewing a film that was actually recommended to me LAST YEAR... ^^; Yep, :iconvindurza: suggested this film to me last October, and I’m sorry that I’ve left it for so long.... But seen as I’ve been continuing my Hallowe’en reviews into November, I felt that I should check this film out. :aww:

This is the Peter Jackson horror comedy....

THE FRIGHTENERS! :iconwoooplz:

 

Yep, I’d been wishing to watch this film last year, so now that I’ve extended my Hallowe’en reviews into November, I decided to check this film out... And I’m certainly happy that I’ve seen it. :aww: I hadn’t heard of it before my friend recommended it to me, but I’d like to tell you that it’s a pretty overlooked Peter Jackson horror comedy. :aww:

 

The main character, a man named Frank Bannister, lost his wife in a car accident, and due to his traumatic event, he has developed the ability to see ghosts. Frank gains the power to see ghosts and befriends three: Cyrus, a 1970s gangster, Stuart, a 1950s nerd, and the Judge, a gunslinger from the Old West. The ghosts haunt houses in the area to accumulate work for Frank's ghost-busting business; Frank then "exorcises" the houses for a fee. Most locals see him as a con man. Well, at least we know what job to warn Norman from ParaNorman NOT to take when he grows up, or he’ll be even MORE of a social outcast... ^^;

However, it turns out that a number of the population are starting to suffer from unexpected heart attacks, even though they appeared to be completely healthy before their untimely deaths... With the help of his ghost friends and a young woman named Lucy, and with the knowledge of the memories of his wife’s death, Frank needs to find a way to stop the mysterious source of these ‘heart attacks’ with only one clue - he has the ability to see numbers on the foreheads of those around him....... And when your number is up, so is your time! :fear:

 

So, this is probably one of the less known of the Peter Jackson films, but seen as how before this, he had directed a horror film named Brain Dead, so it shows that he has some good experience for horror films... :D

 

The main character in this film is Frank Bannister, and he is played by Michael J Fox, who also played Willie McFly in Back to the Future – this is actually one of the final main roles that Michael J Fox had before he was diagnosed with Parnkinson’s Disease... :( But at least he manages to be pretty funny in this. :aww: As I said, like ParaNorman, Frank has the ability to see ghosts, and he uses this ability to con people out of money... :o But he’s willing to do anything to get the money for his dream house – a house that he started building with his wife before her untimely demise. :( Going through a traumatic experience

By the way, I love the cereal that he’s eating in one scene – Boo Berry. :D I wish that I could have Boo Berry sold in English supermarkets... :hmm:

Later, he gets arrested by the FBI schmuck we see later, and he starts to feel regrets for how he may have harmed people in the past.... but THEN, he sees the number 41 on her forehead.... which means SHE’S next... :ohnoes:

To deal with ‘Death’ Frank gets a pretty cool idea – to have an out of body experience. Lucy helps him by putting him into hypothermia and using barbiturates to stop his heart. Hmm, well, as long as he doesn’t end up like Squidward in SB-129 when he got frozen, we’ll be fine. :lol:

Seeing him deal with his ghostly body is pretty funny – especially when he starts falling through walls and then he starts flying! :wow:

All together now – ‘We’re walking in the air..... We’re floating in the moonlit....CRASH’ :XD: Oh, and speaking of crashing, I like the effects when Frank and ‘Death’ repeatedly get run over on the road... :lol: At least it’s not as icky as when that guy in Robocop got run over... :lol: Later, he starts packing with Sgt Hiles’ gun, and shoots Death away... :lol: But sadly, the twenty minutes that he was frozen for has run out, and he gets pulled back into his body... :wow:

Also, quite a bit like Norman from ParaNorman, he gets a vision of the past, when the Bartlett murders took place... I like the way that he says ‘Oh, this is great’ when he gets stuck in the vision... :lol: At least this vision doesn’t get him ostracised, it rather helps him find out where the chapel is.

Frank must be a pretty tough guy for his stature, as he actually ends up falling through FOUR FLOORS in the climax and still he manages to survive, but sadly, Patricia breaks his neck with her gun... :wow:

 

Frank’s ghost companions are very funny – Cyrus, played by ChiMcBride, Stuart, played by Jim Fyfe, and The Judge, played by John Astin. Cyrus is an awesome Shaft-like ghost who reminds me a ton of Samuel Jackson from Pulp Fiction, Stuart is a 1960’s nerd who gets quite a bit of funny slapstick (being sick out of his ears, and having his face explode when fly spray is sprayed onto his face, but then it grows back) and the Judge is a Wild West judge who always has his jaw stolen by their ghost dog – reminding me quite a bit of Jacob Marley from A Christmas Carol. :D

Cyrus and Stuart are a pretty funny duo – from a completely different time, and working together to make it look like the house is haunted.... I also like the way in the scene where the two ghosts haunt the rich woman’s house, the babies are able to see the ghosts, and they help to play their parts... :giggle:

Another awesome scene is seeing the three ghosts in Frank’s car... Wow, they look pretty out of place here... And later, the three of them work off each other perfectly... when The Judge starts talking about the presence of Death, I just love the way that we see his loose jaw moving about... :lol:

Oh, and speaking of the Judge, a really funny moment occurs in the museum, when he starts going all Yosemite Sam on the ‘Grim Reaper’ :w00t: and shoots him away, and then he yells ‘Looks like I ain’t shooting with blanks no more!’ Ah, so he probably died in a cowboy duel, but he didn’t load his gun... :lol: And then, he sees an old Egyptian Mummy in a coffin, and then, he jumps into the coffin and starts.... doing the mummy.... And then he says ‘I like it when they lie still like that....’ ^^; Wow... I really DIDN’T expect necrophilia to be part of this film.... ^^; And then Stuart and Cyrus possess another mummy to distract the police, and when the mummy gets shot down, Cyrus yells ‘And she was so young and beautiful!’

But unfortunately, the film acts a little bit TOO harshly, and for some reason, they KILL OFF the Judge a second time.... By having the Grim Reaper kill him.... :ohnoes: A bit mean there... I mean, we don’t see the Judge again, not even in the scene where we see Cyrus and Stuart in heaven..... What, was necrophilia the one thing that kicked him out of heaven? :confused:

Oh, and Stuart and Cyrus then walk in on Frank and Lucy hugging each other, and Cyrus says ‘This is like walking in on your parents...’ :lol: They then come to the rescue and pull ‘Death’ off Lucy, but the two of them get killed again in the progress.... So, ghosts can kill other ghosts? :wow: Like the Cannibal Ghost from Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends... :wow:

 

When Frank is killed, and goes to heaven alongside Stuart and Cyrus (and NOT the Judge :x ) tell him that heaven has endless libraries, premium cigars, and apparently, Stuart is a babe-magnet up there. :lol: Frank sees his wife’s spirit again, but then... for some reason, we learn that it’s not Frank’s time, and in a strangely funny way, we see Frank’s ghost get pushed down to Earth and back into his body. We then see that Frank’s dream house is being knocked down, so that like Charles Holloway in Something Wicked this Way Comes, he can let go of the past and move forward... I wonder how his late wife in heaven will do after hearing Frank’s found someone else... :hmm:

Anyway, it turns out that Lucy can now see spirits as well, as the experience they’ve had with Patricia and John are a kind of traumatic experience. And the film ends with Lucy wearing a picnic blanket and acting like a ghost.... Well, as long as she doesn’t try to do what SpongeBob and Patrick did to pass off as ghosts, we’ll be fine. :lol:

 

One.... weird character in this film that we see is the FBI agent Milton Dammers... This not-quite Jim Carrey with a Hitler hairdo is played by Jeffrey Combs. This character is.... well, let’s be honest here, probably a bit pointless... I guess that he was put in as the classic investigator who obsesses over the case he’s put in charge of... At first, I will admit, I thought that he would be Stuart in disguise, seen as how he just ran away and threw up in one scene... :lol: But no, he’s not Stuart in disguise, but he is JUST as awkward... Maybe even more so... :rofl: He’s had experience in paranormal psychology, working in cults and sects... So this may prove why he’s so over the top, but he chews the scenery even more than that bald guy in Tron Legacy at times... :hmm:

But.... in the uncomfortable wide-angle lens scene, when Milton is analysing the case.... How does he know all this stuff? :confused: Is he simply making this stuff up to sound like he knows what he’s talking about? Even Sherriff Walt Perry tells him that he’s speaking gibberish... :lol: Most of the time, I was just thinking when he says his facts, and actually altering the times that things turned out, ‘You... don’t know that...’ :confused: And, wouldn’t you know it, when Lucy goes to Frank’s ‘dream house’ she sees that the garden was NOT paved over to make a basketball court... :hmm:

Oh, and then, he SUDDENLY goes to accuse Frank of all of the murders... Again, WITHOUT PROOF.... You know, you’re missing a little thing that we like to call... EVIDENCE. :hmm: And yet, he keeps accusing Frank of all of these murders.... It’s almost like Murphy from Killer Klowns from Outer Space got morphed together with Jim Carrey and joined the FBI.... :confused: He’s JUST as much of an jerk.... :no:

Later, when Lucy goes to see Frank, we see him dithering while trying to shoot Frank, but Lucy gives him what he deserves – a shot from a fire hydrant, and then Frank kicks him... :evillaugh: Oh, but then, the bastard abducts Lucy.... because........ I have no idea. :shrug: Maybe because he thinks that Lucy is an affiliate of Frank.... Again, EVIDENCE?! :iconwthplz:

 After a – actually funny moment when he pulls out a doughnut cushion from his car to sit on, he takes them to a graveyard, and shows us marks he has on his stomach like a pentagram and marks..... I... don’t know what this is supposed to mean.... Is it supposed to be funny, creepy, awkward? I don’t know.... As strange a body marking as the tattoos that Mr Dark had in Something Wicked This Way Comes... ^^;

But then, with NO EXPLANATION, Milton SOMEHOW finds out that Lucy and Frank are heading to the hospital and follows them.... He captures Lucy AGAIN, but Lucy escapes, but then, something to cement my personal dislike for this character even MORE happens... He takes John Bartlett’s ashes, and empties them... The way he says ‘Oops’ reminds me an awful lot of Captain Vidal from Pan’s Labyrinth.... :iconseethingplz: HATE. And then, he shoots Frank with an Uzi, but then, the bastard FINALLY gets what he deserves when Patricia tries to shoot Frank, but as Frank falls through FOUR FLOORS of rotted floorboards, and the shot ends up splattering Milton’s brains everywhere!

HOORAY! :boogie:

And then, later, Frank tells his Sherriff friend about a ‘guardian angel’, and it turns out that the guardian angel is the spirit of Milton... Hopefully, Milton won’t go blabbing on making false claims and phony accusations in the afterlife... :hmm:

 

Ray Lynskey, played by Peter Dobson, is the husband of Lucy, and he gets a lot of funny moments in this film – first off, when Frank learns that Ray is dead and Ray has to adapt to being dead, when he  attends his own funeral and jumps into his grave and starts getting buried in dirt... :lol: But still.. seeing your own corpse must be quite a creepy experience.... Just look at A Christmas Carol... :o This film really knows how to balance the dark moments with the funny moments. :aww:

Speaking of funny moments, an extremely AWKWARD scene is when Frank and Ray’s ghost join Lucy in a Medieval times restaurant that looks more faithful to the medieval era than Quest For Camelot was... Frank starts off by telling Lucy what Ray is telling her, but the scene begins to become extremely awkward for Ray... :giggle: But then, Frank starts turning it around to tell Lucy about bad things that Ray did in his life, such as stealing Lucy’s money... Hearing Ray call Lucy a bitch, and then seeing the two start fighting is pretty funny... :lol:

Later on, we see Ray follow Lucy to the house where Patricia is, and he sees the house as being pretty creepy... But in a funny way... :lol: But there is nothing funny about what happens next – he can see that the house is evil, and when he begs Lucy to get out, she leaves, but then, we see ‘Death’ claw Ray’s face off, and throw his ghostly body on Lucy’s car.... WOW... :fear:

 

The main villain in this film is what APPEARS to be the Grim Reaper, but it in fact turns out to be a serial killer named John Bartlett – he actually reminds me a little bit of Alex DeLarge in A Clockwork Orange... :wow: Played by Jake Busey, I LOVE how crazy this guy is – he’s such a creepy guy, but he manages to be VERY funny in a dark way... He starts off with the appearance of the Grim Reaper, and he starts killing people that Frank can see with numbers on their forehead – marking the number of victims that he has claimed.... :fear: An always creepy way to record your number of victims... And his method of killing them is also very creepy – we see him crawl through the walls of buildings a lot searching for his victims, and then, with a touch of his ghostly hands, he grips the life out of them.... Looking like a Dementor/Ring Wraith combined..... :fear:

It’s strangely heart-warming hearing what the large man he kills in the bathroom says when he sees the passageway to heaven – ‘Mom!’ :aww: Okay, I will admit, even if that’s meant to be cheesy, which it probably is, something about the way that line was said was pretty lip-shakingly touching. :aww:

But there is NOTHING touching about the scene where Bartlett comes into the camera in the car driving scene..... :ohnoes: I mean it, when I saw that face, THAT was pretty freaky... :nuu: Almost as freaky as that face Uncle Boris pulled in Balto... :iconboriswtfplz:

Later, when Frank shoots down what he thinks is the Grim Reaper, the killer still isn’t dead... he holds up his face, and then hits his face into its proper shape... Makes sense that a guy killed by electric chair has a melted ghost... :lol:

He says that he’s been carrying on his work after his death – going from an original 12 victims to FORTY. :wow: In a legitimately creepy scene, we see John turn into a sewer-like monster, and then, when Frank pulls out John’s spirit, and is close to killing him with Death’s scythe... he gets pulled back into his body...... :ohnoes:

 

A young woman named Patricia Ann Bradley, played by Dee Wallace, is a SEEMINGLY kind and innocent woman, but then, we learn that in her youth, she was the girlfriend of John Bartlett, and actually helped him carry out his killing spree. However, she was then released from prison because she was underage. I love the twist at the start when we see Patricia getting ‘attacked’ by the ghost, but as we learn later in the film, we learn that her seemingly abusive mother, Old Lady Bradley, played by Julianna McCarthy, who has a Gary Oldman Dracula style hairdo :icondraculalolplz: , is actually the good one here.... Patricia is simply keeping Patricia from harming others.... She has the ashes of John Bartlett in her room, but she says that her father killed himself after the murders, and she starts crying in a..... concerning manner... Lucy thinks that Patricia means no harm, but it’s simply a performance to come across as the good girl... And we see that the knife that that FBI schmuck said Frank used to murder his wife was actually in Patricia’s bedroom...

And after Lucy goes back to Patricia’s house, Patricia uses the knife that was used in the murder of Frank’s wife to kill her own mother... :iconshockedfaceplz: And it turns out that Patricia was NEVER being tormented by John.... The two are an item... Even after death... :ohnoes: Hmm, so THIS is what would happen if Agatha Prenderghast WASN’T burned at the stake.. :ohnoes:

Patricia actually becomes pretty scary after the twist, as she gets a knife in Shining-style... And really goes berserk! She then gets a rifle, and for once, she DOESN’T shoot upwards! :ohnoes: But that doesn’t stop Victor Quartermaine from making the same mistake in Curse of the Were-Rabbit and losing one of his Golden Bullets.... Or the characters in Hot Fuzz, Zombieland, 1989 Batman, or many other films – and Bender in a Futurama episode... It’s like holding the gun sideways – it looks cool, but it just wastes bullets... :lol:

 

In a way, John and Patricia remind me of a Gash the Zangoose and Frostbite the Weavile-like couple... Just as crazy, just as murderous... :ohnoes:

Frank and Lucy take John’s ashes and try to take them to the hospital chapel... In the flashback that Frank sees, with Patricia almost looking like Carrie mixed with one of the Shining girls :fear: , we see that Patricia was never as innocent as we thought, but they’ve ALWAYS been an item... And we find that Patricia had been carving the numbers of her and John’s victims into the victim’s foreheads... Like his wife...:ohnoes:

An eeringly funny scene is when Patricia starts going through the knives and weapons to kill Lucy with, and John nods his head when she takes the pickaxe... :lol: But then, before she can kill Lucy, Frank’s ghost (he was killed by Patricia) pulls Patricia’s spirit out of her, and up the ghostly portal to the afterlife.... John pulls Patricia away, and Frank goes up to heaven, but then, Frank, and the spirits of Cyrus and Stuart (and NOT the Judge, for some reason :hmm: ) watch as the passageway turns into a fleshy mess :puke: , and then, all kinds of disgusting tendrils and claws go through their mouths and eyes EWW, the tunnel turns into a kind of worm-like leviathan takes the two of them down to hell.... :evillaugh:

 

Frank’s boss is a curmudgeonly woman named Magda Rees-Jones, played by Elizabeth Hawthorne. She’s your typical sniping over the top boss – and she sounds a bit like Dean Hardscrabble at times.. :hmm: Not too much to say about her, except for the fact her death closely resembles Frank’s wife’s death.... And the whole thing doesn’t do too well for Frank... :(

 

This film manages to get quite a few funny moments in it. Another funny part for me is when the main character just runs over the man’s gnome to shut him up... And then later, he drives back when they have a poltergeist attack, and he runs over another fence and yet ANOTHER group of gnomes. :lol: We also get a really funny cameo from R. Lee Ermey – in a MUCH better role than he was in from The Reef :phew: - as the ghost of an army sergeant who we often see yelling at the other ghosts to stay in their graves, and he yells in his classic army general role... It really fits, because R. Lee Ermey used to be an army general, and when he started acting, he actually ad-libs a lot of his lines when he addresses the troops in films like Full Metal Jacket. :lol: We even saw him as that army general in that episode with the Dwarves in Billy and Mandy. :D

And he starts changing outfits and weapons.... He even starts packing and gets two heavy duty machineguns and shoots even more bullets than Stith in Titan AE... :lol:

Later, he mistakes Frank for a normal ghost, and then throws him into a grave, but then, seeing ‘Death’, he tries to get his guns out, but then gets sliced in two! :ohnoes: Maybe if he tried shooting straight ahead than THE AIR, maybe he would have had a better chance for survival... In fact, that’s what the Judge did earlier... Just goes to show, if you want to shoot someone, DO IT, don’t just shoot up into the air... :hmm:

 

The film has quite a few homages to other horror films, such as a Raggedy Ann doll attacking someone in the style of Child’s Play, the bed moving up and down in a style that reminds me of the Exorcist, when Patricia screams through the broken door, it reminds me of the Shining, and Frank’s box that he uses to ‘contain the ghosts’ reminds me a little bit of a poor man’s version if the box from Ghostbusters. :lol: Speaking of which, the fact that Frank has the ability to see and talk to ghosts reminds me an awful lot of ParaNorman – especially his undead dog. :meow: Again, like the Judge, it is a shame we don’t see the dog more, though... :hmm:

 

Actually, the funny thing is that – sure, the wall monster CGI has actually aged surprisingly well, in my opinion – ESPECIALLY when you compare it to the wall monster effect in that HORRIBLE remake of Nightmare on Elm Street...... :no: Speaking of CGI effects, the effects on the ghosts may not be the BEST I’ve seen, but considering when the film was made, the effects on the ghosts are actually pretty impressive. :) And of course, seeing the Grim Reaper appear in the bathroom and kill the large man is actually a pretty CREEPY effect.... :o The Grim Reaper looks a little bit like a Ring Wraith from Lord of the Rings, and I do like the effect when the Grim Reaper dives into the mirror is also pretty impressive for the time, too. But when it turns out the Grim Reaper is NOT really the Grim Reaper, but is really Bartlett, I also like the effect when Bartlett begins melting. :D Although I feel that the effect when he becomes that goo monster in the sewers isn’t the... best effect, I will admit – and the effect when John and Patricia are dragged to hell don’t look AS impressive, but still, the effects are still pretty cool most of the time – and considering how this was in 1991, I can’t complain too much about it. :)

Actually, one man who worked on the effects in this film, Brian Van’t Hul, also worked on the Lord of the Rings films, Forrest Gump, Coraline, ParaNorman, I, Robot, The Nightmare Before Christmas and James and the Giant Peach. :wow:

 

And if you’re wondering why the music sounds a lot like music in a Tim Burton film – it’s because DANNY ELFMAN composed the music for this. :headbang: The film ESPECIALLY sounds like Sleepy Hollow or Corpse Bride in places. We also get some pretty cool songs in the credits. :headbang:

 

The house that we see Lucy visit reminds me a little bit of that awesome Whipsnade Manor from Casper or the manor in Edward Scissorhands. :D And of course, that creepy hospital is DEFINITELY one of the creepiest creepy hospitals I’ve ever seen... Even worse than the hospital that Dr Steinmann runs in Bioshock... :o It is actually one of the creepiest settings I’ve ever seen in any horror film.... At times, the hospital looks like something out of a Silent Hill or Resident Evil game.

 

The main problems that I have with this film aren’t major, but I feel that I should mention them.

First of all, I feel that Stuart, Cyrus and the Judge should have had some more screentime – especially the Judge. After Stuart and Cyrus get ‘killed’ by Bartlett, we see them again in heaven, but we DON’T see the Judge…. That’s pretty harsh… Hmm, maybe the fact that he got intimate with that mummy in the museum is seen as a sin…. But still, he helped out Frank in the film, but he still doesn’t get to go to heaven? :confused: Wow, God’s almost as unfair as Excalibur was in Quest For Camelot when it healed everyone EXCEPT Garrett…. :hmm:

Speaking of ghosts, I would have thought that we would have seen the dog more... Maybe the Ghost dog could help attack John at some point, but he gets killed and goes to heaven too? I don’t know, I know it’s not fully important, but I just feel that it seems a little unfair that the Judge, the dog, and the R.Lee Ermey character aren’t seen again after being killed – OR Ray, for that matter.... :hmm:

Second of all, I feel that the FBI guy subplot was a little bit… pointless… :confused: I guess that quite a bit of suspense was made by putting him in, and he does seem to be like that classic stereotype of the obsessed FBI agent who never rests on their case, but I just don’t think he really had that much development in his backstory… :hmm:

 

:iconvindurza::iconsaysplz: the film is both terrifying and hilarious, and if you see anyone with a number on their forehead you'll instantly feel uncomfortable

 

So, overall, this film falls into the ‘okay’ category for me. It’s worth watching, but it’s not the best horror film around... But at least I got some good laughs, some effective scares, and some actually effective special effects out of it. True, some plot holes come up, one or two characters are underdeveloped or pointless (at least in my opinion), and a few things seem glanced over, but still – the villains, most of the effects, the supporting cast and the jokes make this film REALLY worth watching, and it is a pretty cool premise for a film that does keep your attention all the way through, so I’ll give it that – to me, this film is like Tron Legacy – some things feel a bit rushed or underdeveloped, but still, it has its fair share of things for the horror film buff to enjoy. :clap:

 

:iconreadplz: Once again, sorry if I haven’t really written that long of a review for this one, but once again, it just really depends on how much I can say about the film – so once again, if there’s something that you feel that I haven’t commented on that you think I should, feel free to tell me in the comments below. :aww:

 

Now, my next review will be my last horror film review before I start focusing on Christmas films :w00t: , but don’t worry – if I feel like it, throughout the year, NOT JUST IN OCTOBER, I will be reviewing horror films when I feel like it – some people have asked me to talk about certain horror films like Abbot and Costello Meet Frankenstein, and sorry if I haven’t reviewed it this time, but I will in the future. :aww: In fact, in my Christmas review, there may be a certain horror film that I will be happy to review.... :evileye:

But for now, and seen as my American friends know that Thanksgiving is coming, I feel that the time has come for me to review the sequel for that ridiculous film I reviewed on Hallowe’en – that’s right, it’s time to bring out the turkey yet again...... :evillaugh:

Join us next time, where I will be reviewing – THANKSKILLING 3! :evillaugh:

And yes, I did say it right, the film is known as the film that skipped its own sequel... :lol:

 

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CJO1234's avatar
Nice review, Callum. The Frighteners was actually the first R-rated film I ever saw (I first saw on VHS back when I was 10 years old).